Tulpa.info - tulpa-questions

preferably both at the same time

Interacting with other people is also one of the most effective ways to develop, to my knowledge and in my experience.

I'm awful at visualizing my wonderland.

oh yeah

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I mean we're (not me) like 8 years old now so

The wonderland is just imagination. So.

switching is our forcing

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it's how we grow as people

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'cus

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it's just natural growing as a person

Winter, I developed the same sense of partnership over time. Now it is more like the two of us are combined to make the "real person" that we are in the physical world. It might seem counterintuitive to the very idea of making a separate identity that we both are parts of a single "person" but that's also one of the possible end goals of a tulpa to consider.

by experiencing life

yeah, tulpas are lazy pricks xD inb4 the whole server, every single one of the multi systems: "What the fuck did you just say about me, you little bitch?"

lumi thought about something like that a long time ago Jas, wow

I've never been terribly visual when it comes to my imagination.

crazy, I wasn't even around

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back in his spirituality/personal development days

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he thought about like merging with the other three

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to just be an overall better/healthier minded person

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and decided he loved them too much as individuals

@Jas Hah. Yes, that is certainly an option as well.

then made me

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that was before finding out about tulpas/tulpa.info btw

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so it wasn't quite as weird..

You guys have helped me a lot, I'll keep you up to date with the process

Good luck.

if you want to

Thanks

and you might not

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you could make a Progress Report here https://community.tulpa.info/forum-progress-reports

Tulpa Forums - Progress Reports

A place to record progress with your tulpa.

man my tulpa tries harder than I do most of the time

Yeah I'll do that @Reisen

literally just a place to write down whatever about your tulpa developing

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okay cool

I believe that was kind of the original purpose at the beginning. So even though tulpas are expected to deviate, it isn't hopeless for you to make a tulpa with a specific goal. If it is a core motivation and intrinsic to their sense of self, they will not deviate away and will more likely deviate to better suit their motivations.

that's not as rare as you'd think it'd be

@ tulpa trying harder than host

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referring to TEWI I'm sure

Maybe one day you'll be able to speak with my tulpa

systemmate of ours, really good at.. taking care of things better than us

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good at taking care of us, too

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Tewi is a good person

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I'ma go to sleep

you seem pretty good at that stuff too

I have a notebook I just keep notes in. Commentary on development. Occasionally when someone wants to strike up conversation I record it down.

ok, good night

effort? sure taking care of things? lol

I'm gonna go to bed as well, good night

And I hide that thing like /crazy/

that sounds great

my primary prerogative is to have fun yo, I don't like having to deal with adult stuff

you'll want to note things down.

although I did deal with our last student debt loan repayment crap

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feel like I earned a year of vidya gamin

For tulpas that work in the real world, there is some good to specializing. Some may be the emotional support, others may be the physical worker, others can be the one to deal with socializing. There's no problem with this sort of compartmentalization, but I would be careful not to let this be an excuse to allow any personality's general broad development to atrophy while focusing in on a specific context to master

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Self improvement is a realistic goal for the beginner, after all ^^_^^

I hear tulpish but am unsure of whether I am doing it or not Sometimes I know it's her, but other times I'm not so sure. Especially since I only hear her when I put all my focus toward her Is there a good way around this?

ask her?

Not particularly, no. Initially you will almost certainly only be getting that intent ("tulpish", if you insist), as communication develops.

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No need to be particularly concerned about it. It can take that time.

If you experience it, rather than create it, then it's a brand of stubborn doubt to doubt it.

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Why are you experiencing receiving tulpish if it's not them.

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If you did it, it would just be normal thinking. (edited)

my first experience was in the shower about a week ago in relation to the wl. I know that one was her but I've had others where it doesn't feel as distinct as the first time, it feels more like normal thoughts

Yeah. That's normal

ELI5: wtf is dualism

the philosophical belief that physical entities and mental entities both exist and are not reducible to each other (this is not related to tulpas in any way btw)

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well...I guess it does have ramifications regarding tulpas

@Deleted User Dualism is the idea that the brain and mind are literally separate. As if there is some non-physical "stuff" that cannot be detected or tested through any physical means, but somehow also simultaneously has a physical effect (and vice versa) on the brain.

this is not related to dual processing in any way, correct?

Oh, it could be. People tend to believe that you can "think" without needing a brain in this way, though naturally the mechanism is entirely unsubstantiated. Or, that the brain is some kind of radio antenna or similar. I don't know all the claims of dualism, but the base concept is that the brain is physical, but the actual mind of the person isn't.

k

[The mind just exists. It having a physical effect can be a separate thing. Like a physical effect of the brain makes another physical effect. But it also gives you the subjective experience of having a mind which functionally is just the subjective experience of mental effects and so is a separate thing from the physical brain even though it's dependent on it.]

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[Well that isn't Descartian dualism but still]

Citation needed.

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Concepts are technically physical. Without the physical brain, they do not exist.

oh god okay

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you can stop arguing

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I understood the concept

Alright. I'll step out of here, then.

[Errm nope. We argue that it works that way simple as that. Because we have subjective experiences and that's the only thing we really know]

I suppose it is true that it is far from a beginner concept as well.

[True]

That's only one form of dualism.

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And I'd call it naiive dualism actually.

also, what is dual processing the most comparable to? (plz, don't chew me out Sous, it's just that I'm trying to compare the brain to the thing that I mostly know) a) MIMD (Multiple Instruction, Multiple Data) (aka you and your tulpa can do different things and have different inputs (ex. host percieves the real world, tulpa percieves wonderland)) b) MISD (Multiple Instruction, Single Data) (aka you and your tulpa can do different things but have the same, real world inputs) c) you're totally bonkers and didn't understand the concept, let me explain it to you better?

...tupperbug, I would be happy to continue this discussion somewhere other than the beginners channel, hah.

A: MIMD

Hey guys, I'm going to start my first forcing session and I was wondering, do you guys have any tips for me?

The most important thing, for me, is to have faith that your tulpa exists!

[Don't be a dick, that's about it]

Until it becomes more defined, faith is essential. It's like tulpa food.

yep

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tulpas exist!

Hm, sounds doable

Other than "Talk to your tulpa about essentially anything as long as you aren't actively being disrespectful to them" and "Please don't make assumptions", no.

tulpas are the dna of the soul

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preach

No.